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This transcript appears in the September 7, 2018 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.

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Brits Preparing New Chemical Weapons False-Flag Attack! You Must Choose Now: War, or New Silk Road

This is the edited transcript of the Schiller Institute’s August 30, 2018 New Paradigm webcast with the founder of the Schiller Institutes, Helga Zepp-LaRouche. She is interviewed by Harley Schlanger. A video of the webcast is available.

Harley Schlanger: Hello, I’m Harley Schlanger with the Schiller Institute. Welcome to our weekly webcast, the discussion with Helga Zepp-LaRouche, the founder of the Schiller Institutes.

We’re seeing a real intensification of the battle between two paradigms: the old geopolitical paradigm which refuses to die and go away; and the emergence of the New Paradigm centered around the Chinese initiative around the Belt and Road, but also with our insistence that this can be the basis for the establishment of a New Bretton Woods system. Clearly, this is something the British are out to destroy, to stop. The latest is the word from the Russian General Staff and the Syrian government that they’ve picked up a plan by the British to launch a new, false-flag chemical weapons attack in Idlib province, Syria, and blame it on Assad and launch another strike.

Helga, this is a replay of an old policy, but it looks as though, based on Tuesday’s discussion at the UN Security Council, this is what the British intend to do.

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Karen Pierce, Britain’s Representative to the UN, lies about Assad preparing a chemical weapon attack, while covering for another such attack by the British-directed White Helmets.
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Helga Zepp-LaRouche: Yes. About five days ago, the Russian Foreign Ministry and the Syrian government said that they have evidence that the White Helmets were involved in bringing poison agents to two regions around Idlib, and that as the Syrian army is progressing to take over Idlib, which is the remaining nest of terrorists, this new provocation is being prepared, with the White Helmets having the usual role of being ready to then film the victims suffering from the attack which they carried out themselves.

Tuesday, in the context of the UN Security Council meeting on Syria, the British ambassador to the United Nations, Karen Pierce, made an unbelievable speech. Anybody who wants to see how the British function live, in their own name, can and should watch the speech by the British UN ambassador. In her speech, Pierce baldly asserted that Russia’s warning is just another instance of Russian propaganda and is a smokescreen—that Assad is preparing once again to bomb his own population in Idlib. This has no credibility. There is such a thing as truth. The role of the British in the previous two strikes against Syria, which was based on White Helmets fake news, has been exposed. Who the White Helmets are, has been the subject of many, many articles around the world. This British ambassador, in front of representatives from most of the world, and most of the world’s media outlets, is repeating these lies. This is so outrageous.

Stop British False-Flag Attack in Syria

The Schiller Institute has released a statement, “The World Must Unite to Stop the British False-Flag Chemical Attack in Syria,” characterizing the nature of this operation. Please help us to circulate it as widely as possible. It is very important that this be circulated right now: That is the only way this operation can be stopped. This has to be an international mobilization, in which people all over the world point to the role of the British being behind it, in a new attempt to create an incident in Syria. The British intent is not only is trying to sabotage the hope for a peaceful settlement in Syria, but also to drive another wedge between the United States and Russia—between Trump and Putin.

This unbelievable ambassador who, after this performance, really does not deserve that title, also said that there should be no reconstruction in Syria, no Marshall Plan, no Brussels Plan, and no return of refugees. It’s hard to imagine anything more war-hawkish and blatant. We are witnessing a British intelligence operation, and an attempt, at the UN, to try to sell it to the world.

I appeal to all of you: Help us circulate this statement, which was endorsed by the national campaign of Kesha Rogers. Although she is running as an Independent candidate in Texas for Congress (9th C.D.), her campaign has national importance, because she is opposing Al Green, who is the Democrat Party leader of the impeachment drive against Trump. It’s very important that you take note of Kesha’s action on this. Circulating this statement may be the only way to stop a horrible repeat of U.S., U.K. and French attack on Syria, which could be an attack creating much loss of life and creating misery for many, many others. Help in this mobilization. This kind of provocation could easily go out of control and lead to a larger war, if not a nuclear war. This is very, very serious.

Schlanger: And the British couldn’t be more blatant than that is in fact what they intend. We’ve seen this twice before—actually, three times before—there were false-flag operations in Syria. Helga, you pointed earlier to an incredible speech made by General Sir Nicholas Carter, Chief of the General Staff of the British Army, who said that Britain has to be prepared, the West has to be prepared for war with Russia: This is the British game plan.

Zepp-LaRouche: Yes. This was a speech which he made in January. It is a bloodthirsty speech giving a whole list of the supposed intentions of Russia and British counter-intentions, stating that the West had better get ready because, in his words, “We may not have a choice about conflict with Russia.”

This is obviously what these people are risking, because they realize their system is about to blow. The old paradigm of geopolitics is losing—it’s losing big. The only thing these people have left is to have these kinds of provocations and try to sabotage, and ruin, and cause havoc, but they have absolutely no constructive idea to offer, and that is why they are losing.

The British Couldn’t Be More Blatant

Schlanger: These provocations run parallel to the operations to impeach Donald Trump. A new set of exposures came out this week in Congressional hearings. Bruce Ohr, who previously had been the number four person in the Justice Department—a department deeply riddled with corruption from the old Bush and Obama networks. Ohr was forced to reveal that he was not only a back-channel for the British “former” intelligence operative Christopher Steele, but that he knew that Steele’s report was false, when the FBI used it to go before the FISA [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] Court.

It seems, Helga, that this should be just another nail in the coffin in the Russiagate operation.

Zepp-LaRouche: I think that that is very clearly one of the reasons why this British Empire faction, which is not just the City of London, but also the intelligence chiefs of the Obama Administration (what people sometimes mistakenly call the Deep State is really part of this trans-Atlantic, British Empire apparatus) is on an escalating war path right now. They are exposed.

This could turn immediately into criminal prosecution. Trump is quite feisty, with his tweet today saying there were crimes committed. He tweeted, “Ohr told the FBI it [the Fake Dossier] wasn’t true, it was a lie and the FBI was determined to use it anyway to damage Trump and to perpetrate a fraud on the court to spy on the Trump campaign. This is a fraud on the court. The Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court is in charge of the FISA court. He should direct the Presiding Judge, Rosemary Collier, to hold a hearing, haul all of these people from the DOJ & FBI in there, & if she finds there were crimes committed, and there were, there should be a criminal referral by her.”

I think that’s going to happen. The true story is that the aim is to sabotage the relationship between the United States and Russia, which Trump is trying to repair. He did a pretty good job in Helsinki in starting that process.

I think this has a very good chance of prevailing. The momentum is clearly not in the direction of the people who are behind the conspiracy of Russiagate, and Russiagate has long turned into a “Muellergate.” Trump is hanging in there. Despite all problems caused by the pressure he is under, problems that we should not ignore, this guy is hanging in there, against this apparatus: This is quite something. I really urge people to go to our websites: look at the recent material written by Barbara Boyd, a leading expert on this whole question. She has provided all the ammunition you need, the material you need to know, so please help circulate her reports. This is what people don’t know, especially in Europe. In Europe, most people have no inkling as to the nature of this operation. So please get these reports, study them and circulate them.

Forum on China-Africa Cooperation

Schlanger: The media continue to denounce Trump’s demand for an investigation of the FISA Court warrant. President Trump keeps pointing to the fact that the FBI knowingly lied, using a dossier prepared by someone who was paid for by the Clinton campaign. Furthermore, Bruce Ohr’s wife Nellie, was working for Fusion GPS, which hired British intelligence’s Christopher Steele to do the dossier! Bruce Ohr is the Justice Department official who was brought in for testimony a few days ago. You couldn’t have a more compelling case of collusion between the British and the Obama intelligence operation.

What you said about Trump is quite clear: We’ve never seen a President so openly taking on this establishment. That’s why we’re seeing this war-provocation escalation in Syria now, the attempt to get a new false-flag operation going.

Helga, one of the other aspects of the conjuncture, is that parallel to all these escalations, the Forum on China-Africa Cooperation (FOCAC) conference in Beijing China will be starting on September 3. This is extremely important in terms of shaping the potential for the Belt and Road Initiative.

Zepp-LaRouche: Oh, yes. I think I’m very safe in predicting that this China-Africa summit will establish a completely new standard of international relations. In this, the fifth anniversary of the announcement of the Belt and Road Initiative, numerous articles have been published in the Chinese media pointing to the very, very impressive success of this New Silk Road, which now involves signed treaties and deals with about 80 countries. In the last five years, a trillion dollars in trade was exchanged among the participants, with much more to come.

There is a continuity of the Belt and Road Initiative with the UN Agenda for Sustainable Development 2030—which has the aim of eliminating all poverty on the planet (to which China has given great momentum and leadership) and with the African Union’s Agenda 2063—announced in 2013 as its next 50-year plan. I advise everyone to read that plan, it’s not generally known. It is a very, very ambitious plan that demonstrates the intention of the African nations to become completely modern, fully industrialized, and able to provide good living standards for all the people of Africa, based on high technology and the frontiers of science. It’s quite wonderful and is absolutely coherent with the Belt and Road Initiative.

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Zimbabwean President Emmerson Mnangagwa (left, with scarf), arrives in Beijing to attend the FOCAC Summit.
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FOCAC bird theme sculpture.
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Chinese President Xi Jinping holds talks with South African President Cyril Ramaphosa at the Great Hall of the People, Sept. 2, 2018.
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Chinese President Xi Jinping (right) greets Ethiopia’s Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed Ali.
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Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi (left, front) arrives in Beijing for a state visit and to attend the FOCAC Summit.

Now, just prior to the start of the FOCAC summit, a great number of African leaders are already in Beijing, or on their way, with large delegations. The Presidents of Zimbabwe, Ethiopia, Senegal, Nigeria, and many other nations will be attending.

What struck me the most, is that when these leaders describe the relationship between the continent of Africa and China, they always say, not only is it one of mutual benefit and win-win cooperation, but most of them emphasize, as the Chinese do, that the relationship is one of friendship, of a deepening friendship. This is really wonderful. I remember that British Prime Minister Winston Churchill once said that there is no such thing as friendship among nations—countries only have “interests” that they pursue. This is a bestial kind of view. The new Chinese-African friendship and common future reflects the true nature of mankind: that people are capable of loving other cultures and nations, when there is a commitment to discover the beauty of each other’s cultures.

It really is a mirror for us in the West to see what we have done wrong. Europe could have done what the Chinese are doing now. Africa is Europe’s neighboring continent. The poverty in Africa, the refugee crisis—all of that could have been prevented, if European nations had been committed to investment in African nations, as China is now doing.

Bonds of Friendship

It is quite interesting, that now, in light of the clear signs that China and Africa are creating new bonds of friendship, that the Europeans are now waking up. Italy is a different case: the new government has begun fruitful cooperation with China with respect to Africa. But what about Germany? Chancellor Angela Merkel is now on a three-country tour in Africa. She went to Senegal and will go to Nigeria and Ghana. The only thing reported so far is that she is trying to make agreements to somehow prevent people from emigrating to Europe and that she’s not having any success.

The three countries—Senegal, Nigeria, and Ghana—are among those nations with many people wanting to leave. I don’t have exact figures, but depending on which country you are taking about, youth unemployment ranges from 40 to 60 percent and consequently, half to two-thirds of the population wants to emigrate—to the United States, to France, to other European countries, or to other African countries. Unless this high youth unemployment is remedied, many young people do not see any way to remain in their own nations. That’s why Merkel is not having any success.

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Nigerian President Muhammadu Buhari with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Nigeria, Aug. 31, 2018.
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Eritrean President Isaias Afwerki (right) with German Minister of Economic Cooperation and Development Gerd Müller, Aug. 24, 2018.

Germany’s Development Minister, Gerd Müller, is approaching this somewhat differently. He just visited seven countries and will be meeting up with Merkel in Ghana tomorrow. After those visits, he said that he was greatly impressed with the rich potential of Africa, with its resources. He attacked the EU and even the German government for not understanding the potential Africa represents. He reported that China, Japan, India, and America are already investing in Africa, and Germany is not. He made a big appeal for that should change.

The wind is changing. There was a program on the German Deutschlandfunk (DLF), a radio network, relatively close to the government, interviewing someone who said, “No, German industry must have direct investment in Africa.” The wind is shifting, but the West is just not getting it, yet.

The Wind is Changing

The European and American establishments are so full of themselves, so much on their high horses, that they think they are the beautiful and wonderful people, that they know it all. In Europe, it is expressed in a Eurocentric point of view. These Europeans are completely oblivious to the changes that have already taken place. In a certain sense it’s a tragedy: Europe has so much to contribute, such as the Italian Renaissance and German Classical culture—all these absolute treasures. But we see nothing of use coming from the present financial and power elites.

Therefore, we must really mobilize. The Schiller Institute is truly necessary: The only way to prevent a clash between the two paradigms—which would lead to a new war, and possibly the extinction of civilization—is to get the Western countries to join the New Paradigm, and rather than fighting it, and to bring in the best of our western traditions. However, those best traditions need to be re-activated and actualized, Only the Schiller Institute is proposing that a just new world economic order, a new governance in the world combined with a new cultural Renaissance that will bring forth the best traditions of all cultures. Join the Schiller Institute, become a member of this Renaissance movement. It is urgently needed!

Schlanger: I would suggest that people order copies of the special reports published by Executive Intelligence Review and the Schiller Institute: The New Silk Road Becomes the World Land-Bridge, Extending the New Silk Road to West Asia and Africa, and The New Silk Road Becomes the World Land-Bridge, Vol. II. These three reports will give you a much deeper understanding. We’re not just talking about building railroads, we’re really talking about elevating mankind to an entirely new self-conception.

Helga, you mentioned the situation in Europe. There’s a lot going on: Merkel and others are going to have to wake up. There is the immigration crisis, elections are coming up in Bavaria, the German government’s popularity is continuing to fall; there were riots in Chemnitz over the last couple of days. All this is really pushing the political class to come up with something, isn’t it?

Zepp-LaRouche: Yes. But look at their ideas. Look at the new proposals by German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas, who is saying that Europe must become more independent from the United States. Now, I’m not against that, were it based on the idea of sovereignty and redefining what should have been redefined at the point of the German reunification in 1990. That opportunity was lost. The promises made to Gorbachev, to not move NATO to the Russian border, were broken. There are many important reasons to review these mistakes. However what Maas is proposing really won’t work; it’s a Eurocentric idea. He wants to build a European army, which is not going to go anywhere.

Czech President Milos Zeman just proposed dropping the sanctions against Russia, because the sanctions are hurting both sides. Zeman said it’s not only the Czech Republic, it’s Slovakia, Austria, and Italy also opposing these sanctions. This proposal by Maas only increases the centrifugal forces in Europe. Many countries want to have better relations with Russia and with China.

The Stakes Are Very High

There is a proposal by French President Emmanuel Macron to reset the relationship with Russia. We need to look at that more closely. Mr. Macron sometimes makes very eloquent and interesting speeches, but we will have to see what he does. I will give him the benefit of doubt, but I don’t want to uncritically praise something which hasn’t really materialized yet. There is a great deal of confusion on these issues. What is lacking is really a vision for the future.

This lack of vision and future oriented policy is already creating disasters. Look at what happened in Chemnitz, it is really terrible: A 35-year-old man was killed. The announced suspects were a Syrian and an Iraqi. That led to many angry demonstrations. There were neo-Nazis and hooligans. But there were also a lot of ordinary people—not all the demonstrators were Nazis, absolutely not! There were a lot of regular people. Even the NZZ [Neue Zürcher Zeitung], the major Swiss daily, said this reflects a much deeper crisis, and that is true. The dissatisfaction of the masses of the population with the policies of the neo-liberal establishment is quite profound.

The national elites have completely lost touch with the interests of their own people. Such angry demonstrations are sure to come. In this case, the police were completely incapable of keeping control. My biggest worry is: What will happen were an uncontrolled financial collapse to occur? There already is capital flight out of the emerging markets—a collapse of the currencies of Argentina and Turkey, the corporate debt bubble—all these things are looming over us.

Therefore, our mobilization to put a New Bretton Woods on the agenda, with the United States, Russia, China and India (and possibly Japan) taking the lead, is the only way to solve this at the necessary higher level. Other countries will join us, and the nations of the world will go back to fixed exchange rates, to a credit system and bury for good the casino-gambling type of economics. This is very urgent. We have a petition , which I urge you to sign and circulate. We need to establish a higher level of reason. The combination of these four countries is absolutely crucial (possibly adding in Japan as a fifth) to having enough power to counter and overcome the power of the City of London and Wall Street.

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LaRouche PAC organizers mobilizing to stop the witch hunt against President Trump, and for a New Paradigm for humanity.

It’s Not a Timeless Situation

Join us in mobilizing with this petition. My nightmare is, what will happen if the world does not go to a New Bretton Woods system in the short term, and an uncontrolled repeat of 2008 ensues, but on a much larger scale. Then, the Chemnitz rioting would just be a very tiny foretaste of what could happen, because once people can’t get food, medicine—the things they need to survive—chaos could erupt very quickly.

So, we’re not in a timeless situation. We’re really in a very urgent countdown. In the United States, it’s obvious that the midterm elections could really turn the tide for the entire world in a negative direction if people who are for the impeachment of Trump and defend this conspiracy are elected to Congress. Most are Democrats, but many are Republicans, so I’m not calling for any one party to be voted for. American voters will really have to look at each individual candidate. If a candidate is defending this Russiagate coup, that candidate should not be in office.

We are in a very urgent time of mobilization. Don’t sit on the fence, get active. People all over the world can get active with the Schiller Institute.

Schlanger: Just to put an exclamation point on that, the proposal that your husband drafted initially for the Four Power Agreement, leading towards a New Bretton Woods, has been discussed and studied by governments all over the world, by think tanks, and others. There’s no fundamental objection to it, except from the neo-liberals and neo-conservatives who want war and the chaos that comes with it, rather than see an emergence of a New Paradigm.

Again, I think it’s incumbent on people to go to our website, study these ideas and see exactly how farsighted Lyndon LaRouche and Helga Zepp-LaRouche have been in defining this new potential.

And Helga, I just want to bring up one final point, which I think goes to the difference between a collaboration and a confrontation: We’ve been hearing a lot about North Korea, the continuation of the Singapore model, the attempt to use that to resolve differences, and the attack on it coming from both parties, as you mentioned, from the media, the attempt to belittle Trump in this. But he exercised another example of leadership yesterday, when he made the statement that the United States will not be resuming joint military exercises with South Korea,— again, going right at the fragility of the situation that includes the British push for a false-flag attack in Syria: I just wonder if you have any final comments on the overall significance of what we have to do now, that it’s really up to the people to be mobilized around these ideas.

Food for Thought

Zepp-LaRouche: The media have been talking for some while that the whole Singapore summit is falling apart, that the denuclearization of North Korea isn’t working. Obviously, there are some problems, as Trump asked Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to postpone his trip to Pyongyang. But when Defense Secretary James Mattis announced that the United States and South Korea were resuming their joint maneuvers, Trump, the next day said, “no,” there is no reason to spend large sums of money on joint U.S.-South Korea war games. The Blue House [the Presidential mansion] in South Korea said that they were not informed by the United States that these maneuvers should take place, and they’re looking forward to the upcoming North Korea-South Korea summit in Pyongyang. The Koreans have no interest in seeing the peace process being sabotaged, and that includes, emphatically, the South Koreans.

People should not fall for the media spin on the Koreas.

I would like to end on another note: There was an interesting article quite recently in Global Times, saying that the next generation of the West will determine the future.

The author presents an interesting analysis which, however, could be deepened. It is interesting, however, to see this in a Chinese publication. The author says the first generation in the postwar period was absolutely committed to the common good, to the idea that there must be a balance between individual freedom and the common good of society. That generation was focussed on reconstruction and a commitment to ensuring that the terrible horrors of the 20th Century, the Nazi period, would never be repeated. Then came a second generation of people who grew up with more wealth, they had “everything.” The tendency toward neo-liberalism became stronger. Now we have a third generation. The key problem with that third generation in the West after the Second World War, is that they have absolutely no idea of the future.

I think that that is the key problem. If you don’t have a vision, an idea why you should organize your life in a moral fashion, that you have to develop all your potentialities to be capable of service to humanity, if that is missing, you have hedonism, you have drug addiction, you have autism as a result of excessive videogaming, Internet, social media, all of this. You have basically a youth who are totally crippled!

And it is my view—that either you find enough people in the West to help the Schiller Institute and join with us to remedy that, or it is just a question of time, before the West will lose out, simply because we didn’t take care of our own youth. So join with the Schiller Institute to help us to remedy this. I want to give you that as food for thought—something to think seriously about.

Schlanger: And I’d like to urge our viewers to join us next week, when we’ll be getting a report from Helga on the extremely important summit of the Forum on China-Africa Cooperation.

Helga, thank you, and we’ll see you next week.

Zepp-LaRouche: Yes, till next week, I hope.