This transcript appears in the June 12, 2020 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.
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ZEPP-LAROUCHE WEBCAST
Space Launch/Counter-Coup:
Openings To Defeat the British Chaos Scenario
We present here edited excerpts from the transcript of the Schiller Institute New Paradigm Webcast of June 4, 2020, with Helga Zepp-LaRouche and Harley Schlanger. The video for the entire webcast may be found here.
Schlanger: Yesterday, very significantly, the Senate Intelligence Committee heard from Rod Rosenstein, the former Deputy Attorney General. What’s your sense of the importance of this in the context of the continuing attempt to get rid of Presidrnt Donald Trump?
Zepp-LaRouche: That was interesting. Rosenstein behaved like the three monkeys who hide their eyes and ears and don’t speak. He pretended he was completely out of it. As Deputy Attorney General, he was the person who appointed Special Counsel Robert Mueller, yet he claimed he didn’t know what he was doing, and had no real knowledge, and it was all the fault of the FBI. Then he blamed former Deputy Director of the FBI Andrew McCabe, only for McCabe to turn around and call Rosenstein a liar and that he knew very well what he was doing.
I think this is creating a whole bunch of leads for further investigation. We now know that the entire intelligence apparatus of the Obama administration knew by the beginning of 2017, and probably in 2016, that the whole accusation of Russia-gate was a complete lie, and that the Steele dossier was a phony concoction by British intelligence. This is now all open for investigation.
President Trump himself has already talked about Obama-gate, and naturally the big question is what Obama knew, and when; and what was Obama’s role in all of this. Obviously, British intelligence had a role in setting up this entire coup, as announced in the British magazine The Spectator in January 2017, when it had a headline indicating that the British would try to get Trump out one way or another, either through assassination, a coup, or impeachment—that has been behind all of this for the whole time.
This is now the subject of an investigation in the Senate. I think there are flaws in it, because Lindsey Graham is still somehow sticking to the line that there was some Russian involvement, which clearly there was not, but I think the contradictions between the Department of Justice, Rosenstein, and the FBI perpetrators will lead to further investigations, with the potential of finishing off this entire coup operation, charging the guilty for the crimes committed. That would be sort of a catharsis of the whole situation, and it would be an eye-opener for all the people who are hyping themselves up against Trump all the time, to recognize that they were misled by a destabilization operation by British intelligence, which is a very important component of what people normally in shorthand call the Deep State.
This is now coming out, and therefore it’s getting very interesting.
Sir Richard Loves the Virus
Schlanger: One of the areas in which it’s especially interesting is U.S.-China relations. There has been a series of developments in the last few days. The media is playing it as an escalation toward a new Cold War, but very little attention is being paid to what you just pointed out, which is that the same people who were behind Russia-gate are now attacking the U.S.-China relationship. Now, who jumps back into the middle of this but Sir Richard Dearlove, the man who provided the phony dossier on the weapons of mass destruction that led to the Iraq War, the same man who vouched for Christopher Steele and his dossier against Trump. How do Dearlove and the British fit into this China question?
Zepp-LaRouche: Dearlove came out—remember, he is the former head of MI6—saying that the coronavirus was made by the Chinese in a Chinese lab, and that that is the reason the Chinese must pay reparations to the whole world for the damage caused by the virus. I think this is incredible, because there is an overwhelming agreement among scientists around the world that this virus is an organic virus. What caused the virus to become a pandemic is not the virus; it is the fact that the neo-liberal economic model for half a century lowered the living standard of so many people around the world that the virus has the potential to spread in this uncontrolled way that we see now.
The coronavirus is now spreading in an absolutely horrible way in Africa. The African CDC is reporting that there is now community transmission, which means it is close to impossible to defeat, given the fact that health care systems in most African countries are practically nonexistent. There is a horrible, raging outbreak in Brazil, which is now becoming a hotspot like Chile, like Ecuador. China did not allow it to become a pandemic and was able to quell it through very rigorous methods in the first two months. These countries don’t have the ability to do what China did.
It is possible to contain and stop such a virus outbreak. What makes such a disease develop into pandemic proportions is having entire continents that are not equipped to deal with it. So, for Sir Richard Dearlove to put out such a statement is quite an incitement. It goes beyond a simple Cold War type statement; it is creating an enemy image for a real confrontation with China. The role of British intelligence in the coup against Trump, and also in the anti-China campaign—that both of these operations have come from one and the same source—should get people to think about it.
Schlanger: China just had its Party Congress and the People’s Assembly. What is the approach coming from China to the economic situation? How are they planning to rebuild?
Zepp-LaRouche: China is now continuing to rebuild its economy, with an absolute emphasis on infrastructure, continuing with the projects of the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). Just today an important economist was interviewed by CGTN, commenting on the discussion about decoupling—that some people in the United States in particular are talking about decoupling the U.S. economy from China. This economist said that the West will do it at its own peril. I find this very interesting because it is true that the idea of somehow isolating China will not function. The only thing left is nuclear war, which means that even those people who start it, will not survive. But short of that, there is no way to stop the rise of China. They have now engaged with so many other countries in these BRI projects.
The big questions are: What will come out of this battle, what kind of an order will emerge, and what will the post-pandemic world look like? That is the really crucial battle going on behind the scenes now.
The British Financial Empire Loves the Virus
Schlanger: On the one hand, you have a number of triggers, any one of which could lead to an even more explosive blow-out: Argentina being declared in default; the coming wave of evictions and home foreclosures in the United States. But at the same time, you have the really big battle. On the one side, the bankers pushing for a global Green New Deal versus our emphasis on physical economy based on science and technology. How do you see this battle shaping up?
Zepp-LaRouche: I think it really is the most important question, because the big question is, what creates the basis for the existence of the human species over a longer period of time? The “Great Reset” as they call it is now being pushed by the central banks, coming from the Jackson Hole bankers’ meeting last year, the proposals by Mark Carney and the other central bankers, by the ECB, by the European Commission, the Green New Deal by Ursula von der Leyen, and various proposals also coming from the preparatory meeting for the World Economic Forum in Davos.
All of the institutions I have just named want to use this crisis to impose their Green agenda, a total decarbonization of the world economy, mostly get rid of nuclear energy, and redirecting financial investments in such a way that only Green projects are financed. It is really a problem, because all the stimulus programs that are now being put on the agenda are characterized by this approach, e.g., the $750 billion proposal by Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission, which probably will have to be reduced to $600 billion because a lot of European countries don’t want to be a part of it.
Then you have the various proposals for bail-outs of various kinds. Some people think this is positive, but if it’s Green, it is completely destructive. The real economy is already massively hit by the pandemic. Almost half of the labor force and productive capacity worldwide is shut down. You have 50 million unemployed in the United States. You have an almost 30 percent collapse of the real economy in most European countries. So, if you impose on that very dire economic situation a Green agenda, by going into low energy-flux densities like solar and wind energy, you are destroying the productive capacity of the world economy. But that is what is actually intended. This is all coming from the British Empire, from such people as Hans Joachim Schellnhuber and his proposal for a “great transformation of the world economy.”
One of the outstanding contributions of my late husband, Lyndon LaRouche, is his demonstration that there is a direct correlation between energy-flux density in production processes and the number of people who can be maintained in an economy. If you go to very low energy-flux densities, such as solar and wind, the potential of the world is only 1-2 billion people, not the 7-8 billion people we have now, and soon 9 billion. That would mean a vast reduction in population, and that’s what some of these people really have as their agenda.
Protect Creative Humanity
That has to be understood. What we are proposing is the opposite. We propose energy-flux densities to increase beyond fossil fuels to nuclear energy, and to have a crash program for fusion energy. The world economy must be adjusted to reflect the principles of physical economy. And that has everything to do with the fact that the source of wealth is not raw materials, it’s not free trade, it’s not buying cheap, selling dear. The only source of wealth is the creative power of the human mind—the ability of the human being to again and again discover physical principles of the universe. This is called scientific progress—turning those discoveries into technological advances, applying them in the production process in order to increase the potential relative population density for the entire world.
That is why we have proposed this 1.5 billion job creation program, which must be the answer to the present crisis. Unless you address the poverty and deprivation in Africa, in Latin America, and in those areas in the United States and Europe suffering poverty, there is no way to solve these problems: you cannot get social peace, you don’t fight the pandemic, you can’t fight the famine which is looming very big. The only way to address all of these issues is by increasing production and creating better living and working conditions for all the people on this planet. That must be the passionate desire of everybody who wants to solve this present crisis.
Schlanger: The United States just had its first crewed space launch, in an American vehicle, for the first time in nine years. Some relatively decent people, who understand the importance of fighting the coup in the United States, who oppose the bail-outs, still have the distorted view that spending money in space exploration is a waste. How does the space program fit in with what you were just discussing about human creativity and the real source of wealth?
Let Us Behave Like Astronauts
Zepp-LaRouche: One can take it on the pragmatic level: it is well-known that for every cent invested in the Apollo program, there was a 14-cent return in the civilian economy. All the people who like the internet and who like their laptops really should thank the Apollo program, because that was where all these inventions from computer chips to all kinds of other things we are still using today were discovered.
But I don’t want to leave it at that pragmatic level. In the long arc of human civilization, it was always fundamental discoveries of new principles which made it possible for humans to develop and progress and to increase their population density from a couple million in the Stone Age to the present, where we can easily populate all the world. If we apply the technologies we already have, we could actually make a Garden of Eden out of this planet.
Utilizing newly discovered principles concerning our physical universe, to bring a human being from the atmosphere above the Earth into orbit was a gigantic step. I think the idea of colonizing the Moon, industrializing the Moon as a take-off station to build a city on Mars, to do terra-forming on Mars and take that as a step for future generations to develop interstellar flight and find out how our universe works—that is what distinguishes us from the animals.
I think human beings are capable of behaving like the astronauts do in their relations. The American and Russian astronauts cooperate on the International Space Station, they don’t have fights. They have to cooperate on the basis of reason, and that is the model for the future cooperation of mankind.
I think it’s very good that President Trump wants to expand the G7 to invite Putin to attend, and also India and some other countries. But I think the response by Maria Zakharova, the spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, is correct. She said it does not make sense not to invite China, because there are no global problems which can be solved without the participation of China.
I would hope that the kind of cooperation, which is now fortunately happening between Roscosmos and NASA, with Russian astronauts traveling, in the future, on American space carriers and vice versa, is the kind of cooperation needed to ensure the future existence of mankind. Because if you look at the world as it is right now, you have these riots; you have anxiety; you have people jobless; you have people in poverty. The world is in such a terrible condition, and everybody who sees that, can see that we cannot continue like that. Many people are fearful of what the future will bring.
Well, there is a way to solve all of these problems. We have to make the next step in the evolution of mankind. These are things which unite us as one human species. We are at the point where either we rise to this recognition that the one mankind is of a higher priority than the many, or we may not exist.
I am optimistic that an especially important step was taken with the American space launch on May 30. It reminds the American people, and people everywhere, of what it means to have an optimistic perspective for all of mankind. However, we still must introduce an even higher level of thinking, a New Paradigm. We have proposed for a long time the Four Laws of Lyndon LaRouche. His proposals to have a world development program, the World Land-Bridge, for which he passionately fought his entire life, that is now the way to go, and that has to be put on the agenda. I ask all of you to help to get this discussion underway so these programs and projects can be implemented as soon as possible; there is not much time to lose.
Schlanger: Helga, is there anything else you’d like to add in closing?
Zepp-LaRouche: People should not lose faith that human creativity can solve all problems when we work together for a good plan. If you have that confidence and look at your fellow citizens from that standpoint, you discover the creativity in the other person, rather than focusing on what you don’t like and the problems you see. You have to have an idea that human relations must be one of a greater species, and if you have that approach, every problem can be solved.
Schlanger: Thank you very much. We’ll see you again next week.
Zepp-LaRouche: Yes, ’til next week.
