|This interview appears in the June 16, 2000 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.
LaRouche Urges Peru:
`Take a Firm Position and Stick It Out'
U.S. Democratic Presidential pre-candidate Lyndon LaRouche granted the following telephone interview on June 6 to Gente magazine, Peru's second-largest circulation weekly, which was published in a slightly edited form in their June 8 issue under the headline "Lyndon LaRouche Warns of a Major Financial Crisis in the U.S., and Asserts that `Assassinations Are Not Impossible.' " The interview was accompanied by a box reporting that the Bank for International Settlements' warning of an imminent financial crisis (see Economics section in this issue) was being "suspiciously" blacked out by the United States media, "mocking freedom of expression." Gente preceded the interview with the following introductory note.
According to the Democratic Party Presidential candidate [LaRouche], "there are people in Washington who feel a real hatred toward President [Alberto] Fujimori, and want to destroy him. These people are mad right now, and the worst is that they are unpredictable." The recent nomination of U.S. diplomat Luigi Einaudi as Assistant Secretary General to the OAS [Organization of American States] is sort of like putting "the fox to guard the hen house," keeping in mind the serious accusations made against him by dissident Democratic Party leader Lyndon LaRouche, in our previous edition No. 1327. [See EIR, June 9, p. 34]. There, he said that Einaudi is "a new mercenary to attack Peru again," and points out that "we can detect the work of Einaudi against Peru before [OAS electoral observer mission chief] Ambassador [Eduardo] Stein even got out of diapers." LaRouche reminds us that Kissinger "ran--together with people like Einaudi--the Pinochet coup in Chile. And Luigi Einaudi was, of course, the key man behind the so-called Second War of the Pacific scenario, in which they were trying to destroy Peru earlier." Now, he warns that the international lobbies are trying to prevent the release inside the United States, of news of their eventual collapse in a financial crash of enormous proportions and terrible consequences that will also affect Peru, a country which has prepared itself these past ten years to survive these attacks." On Fujimori, he said that "there are people in Washington, including Mrs. [U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine] Albright, who would try to push this as far as they can. Assassinations cannot be ruled out," he said angrily. At the same time, he indicated that the Clinton government is very upset with his policy orientation toward Peru. Referring to the press adviser to [Alejandro Toledo's organization] Peru Posible, Gustavo Gorriti, who, in a program on El Comercio's television channel, called LaRouche a paranoid and a neo-fascist,
LaRouche said, "These fellows are cheaply bought, and they run around all over
Q: Mr. LaRouche, our first question has to do with
this news we have just received from the OAS, that they have decided to send a
mission here to Peru. We would like to know what the truth behind this decision
is? What does this mean?
LaRouche: Well, when you've got this Toledo
situation, you have to recognize what's behind it. Toledo is a trainee of
[University of Chicago professor Arnold] Harberger, who is the actual key figure
in the Pinochet coup some years back under Kissinger. So you're not dealing with
the problem of Toledo, but who is behind Toledo. And you're dealing at the
moment with, principally, the U.S. and British governments. And the British
government, of course, is represented through Canada. And what is involved is a
strategic operation to try to break Peru, because Peru is key to Mexico and
Brazil. And remember that Kissinger is also involved in this.
At this point, Kissinger has the backing of a group around
the President of the United States, which is the strength behind the current
deployments of Mrs. Albright. So, this is a test of will, as to whether they can
use this to break Peru's will. The next target, of course, if Peru is broken,
will be Mexico and Brazil. This is a worse situation, in some respects, than
when Kissinger ran--together with people like Einaudi--the Pinochet coup in
Chile. And Luigi Einaudi was, of course, the key man behind the so-called Second
War of the Pacific scenario, in which they were trying to destroy Peru
The only way in which this thing could have gone through at
Windsor, with the OAS, was with tremendous pressure from the U.S. government and
from Canada. So, I would say the fight is on. It's a very serious
Q: We understand that it's not only against Brazil
and Mexico, but also against the Venezuelan government.
LaRouche: Yes, everything, but especially, they want
to crack Brazil and Mexico. Those are the two chief targets.
Q: Do you believe, then, that they are going to
achieve this objective? What is their thinking?
LaRouche: Well, it's dangerous, but it's also complicated. I don't know what you've got in terms of the news there in Peru today, but the Bank for International Settlements [BIS] has published a study, which contains a forecast, which is an accurate one. It essentially says that the United States is going to go under in a major financial crash. There will not be a soft landing for the United States. And, while there should be no illusions about the Bush crowd--the Bush crowd is as dangerous as the crowd around Al Gore, the Vice-President of the United States--nonetheless, presently, Al Gore is absolutely hysterical, because it's apparent to people in the government that he is not electable. And the President of the United States has made a great commitment to the Gore candidacy, which I think is foolish. And although I'm somewhat friendly to the Clinton Administration, I'm even getting a certain amount of hysteria against me because of this. And they're very unhappy with my policy on Peru, among other things.
So, I think there is no simple strategic assessment of the
situation. It's a very serious situation. The United States is likely to make
some great mistakes at this point--the present government. My estimation is that
Peru will survive this situation. I think there will be a great effort to cause
it to capitulate, but I also think, that with the financial crisis coming on
Let me interpolate something here. Look, the report of the
BIS forecast is all over Europe. But so far, not a single leading news agency in
the United States has reported on the existence of that BIS report. The only
condition under which that report would have been suppressed, is an absolutely
hysterical pressure on the part of the United States government to get every
news agency to suppress--for the time being--the existence of that report. But I
know that the break-up of the system is inevitable, it's coming on rapidly. And
one would hope that in the process of conducting this fight to defend the
integrity of Peru, that they will come to their senses in Washington. But in the
meantime, they will tend to be very hysterical and very threatening. So, it's a
tough situation, as I think the people in Peru sense, but the point is that Peru
has no choice, because if it capitulates, it goes down, it will be dissolved, it
will be broken as a nation.
I would say that one should look at that from the standpoint
that that is the nature of this period of history--that is the kind of world we
are living in. We will have to see how the United States reacts to, what is
probably very soon, a financial collapse of the dollar. Beyond that, I can't say
definitely what I think is going to happen. I know how these people will react.
What will happen, I'm not sure of, but I know how they'll react to this kind of
Q: I would like to ask you, if it is possible to
obtain a copy of this report you're referring to, the one that they are covering
up in the United States, as we would like to publish this in our
LaRouche: Okay, fine. What we are doing is, we are
studying this report, that they've got here in Europe, and we'll be issuing
today, from our Wiesbaden office in Europe, our preliminary news report about
the fact of the BIS report. And I'm sure that a copy of the report that we will
issue, should reach you sometime today.
We will be doing a follow-on study of that report, and we can
transmit that to you as soon as we have it done. So that should be coming to you
right away, and as we get our job done, we'll get copies to you. Because of the
time of day, we'll relay it from the Leesburg [Virginia] office, because they
will have the up-to-date reports that we'll be making over the course of the
day. But, we can get you some preliminary information immediately. That's
already in process.
Q: I'd like to ask you about Mr. Gustavo Gorriti, a
Peruvian journalist who has been hired by Peru Posible as a sort of official
press spokesman. He was interviewed recently by Channel 8 and Channel N in Lima,
which belong to the chain that owns the newspaper El Comercio, and during
that interview, he was asked about [EIR Ibero-American editor] Dennis
Small and about Lyndon LaRouche. During that interview, he called you a
neo-fascist and a paranoid.
LaRouche: Well, he's probably jealous. He probably
thinks that if I'm a fascist, I might compete with him. Before you treat him
seriously, you have to laugh first, so you don't get upset and treat him too
seriously. These fellows are cheaply bought, and they run around all over the
world. I don't pay too much attention to them.
Q: We don't know much about him, so we'd like to ask
you a few things. We understand that, first of all, he escaped so-called
"political persecution" here in Peru, and then he fled to Panama, where we
understand he also had some problems. We want to know if you have something to
say about this.
LaRouche: We know the Panama end of this thing that
he was tied to. He is a dirty operation. Our knowledge of him goes to the George
Bush/Iran-Contra drug-running operation. He was tied to that
Look, Bush got into a quarrel with [Gen. Manuel] Noriega of
Panama, and some of Noriega's special forces were used as part of the aid to the
Contras in Nicaragua. Then, Bush sacrificed those Panamanian troops, and made
some demands on Noriega which Noriega refused. And when you know Bush the way I
know him, from a great deal of experience, he's the kind of person who will kill
someone he doesn't like. As a matter of fact, most of the things that happened
to Noriega in that connection, were a result of Bush's personal animosity
against him. Once Bush had the U.S. military under his control, he launched a
war against Panama, and tried to kill Noriega. That's the kind of person he
Since I'm in Europe at the moment, I don't have access to all
of my old files on that, but I'm sure that [EIR correspondents] Carlos Wesley or Gretchen Small can get you the dossier we have on Gorriti. For me, he's a collateral part of that operation. We know a lot about it, but I don't have the details at hand. We can get to you what we have on this. The general point is that Bush was working with one of the Colombian cartels, and the Bush people got drugs from one of the cartels, and Bush would have been in trouble if he had not been exonerated by the President of the United States. So, this is just more of the reason why Bush happens to hate Noriega. We have the facts on that, but I don't have them at hand here.
Q: I have a question about Toledo, and also [Toledo
adviser Diego] García Sayan. According to the information we have here,
both Toledo and García Sayan are connected to international
drug-trafficking networks. In this regard, what would be the connection of Mr.
LaRouche: Look, the problem here is that you've got
people who work as part of a political network. They may be working for drug
people. Whether they themselves are personally involved in drugs, may be another
question. It's like the case of George Soros. Soros is very openly a supporter
of the international drug trade. And it's impossible that he is not involved in
some laundered drug money, through his large-scale operation. But as to whether
George is actually taking drug money personally, I don't know.
From my standpoint, when somebody is involved in those
networks, and they know what goes on in finance, they know they're involved as
an ally of the drug pushers, and, as far as I am concerned, they're morally the
same as drug pushers.
But, in my position, I'm very careful about making those
distinctions, so that nobody exaggerates what I'm saying.
Q: Finally, regarding the case of Peru. What do you
think we can expect vis-à-vis this OAS resolution to intervene in
LaRouche: There are people in Washington, including
the people tied to Mrs. Albright, who would try to push this as far as they can.
They would actually--I mean, assassinations are not impossible in a situation
like this. Knowing the state of mind of these people, as I know it, they are in
a state of real hatred against President Fujimori. And they are out to destroy
My appreciation of Mr. Fujimori is that he is a courageous
person, more courageous than many other people who have had to deal with these
fellows. He seems to be highly respected by his countrymen, which is all very
good in this situation. But, as someone who is experienced with this kind of
thing, I would say to be prepared for tough times ahead. I'm optimistic about
the situation, but it's not going to be easy for the moment. These fellows are
in a very mad fit, and are somewhat unpredictable.
Q: Are you saying, then, that the life of President
Fujimori is directly in danger, as of now?
LaRouche: Well, I don't know. What I do know is the
temperament of these people. They have been my opponents for a long time, and I
think I probably understand them about as well as anyone. I certainly would not
take any chances with the life of Mr. Fujimori. But I do know the mental state
of Al Gore and the people around him. I also know the mental state of the Prime
Minister of Great Britain, which is also dangerous. Mr. Blair is in a rather
desperate political situation at the moment, and Blair is a very close ally of
Mr. Gore. So, anyone who is tied to Gore and Blair, I would say they're very
dangerous. But I think that Peruvian security officials and the President of
Peru are sane, very capable people, and I think if anyone has the chance of
surviving, they are the kind of people who would tend to survive a situation
Remember, that when President Fujimori dealt with the
Japanese Embassy incident, and also cleaned up some of the other terrorist
problems in Peru, he made a serious enemy of those in Canada and elsewhere, who
want him to capitulate. So, their hatred is partly opportunistic, because Peru
is very important for all of the Americas right now. And for this pro-drug crowd
around George Soros and the Inter-American Dialogue--these guys are all
pro-drugs--and for Al Gore and for Madeleine Albright, there's a very special
hatred against the government of Peru right now. I think that, under better
circumstances, President Clinton would be, shall we say, much more reasonable.
But at the moment, I think that the [U.S.] President is in a bad
In the meantime, I think that the onrushing international
financial crisis is going to produce some very quick and fundamental changes in
global politics. And I think that, in a time like this, one must take a good
strong position, do the right thing, have firm nerves, and stick it out. That's