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This transcript appears in the April 24, 2015 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.

Science or Fascism

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by Benjamin Deniston and Michael Steger

The regular Friday night LaRouche PAC webcast of April 17 featured the life-or-death choice facing mankind, epitomized by the water crisis in California, in presentations by LaRouche PAC Science Team member Benjamin Deniston, and LaRouche Policy Committee member Michael Steger. The moderator is Matthew Ogden. The full webcast can be viewed at

Matthew Ogden: In our webcast tonight, Ben Deniston, who is a relevant expert in this field, will elaborate in detail, will thoroughly discredit, the lies that you are being told by Gov. Jerry Brown and the likes of him, about the so-called water crisis that's happening in the state of California and beyond.

Jerry Brown will insist that the drought is being caused by man-made climate change, or overconsumption of a so-called limited water supply, and is mandating killer cuts in water supply to the people of California. Cuts which will hit the poorest and most vulnerable members of the population first; the people who are already barely surviving at all. The fact is, as Lyndon LaRouche said earlier today, Jerry Brown, and those who agree with him on these matters, are incompetent; and dangerously so. They have no idea what the scientific principle is which drives the global water cycle; and therefore, they have no idea how that water system is to be managed, and how new water supplies can be developed and created.

The problem is not man-made climate change, but the fact that we haven't changed the climate in the way that we should; by mastering and harnessing the physical principles which drive the water cycle as a whole—something that the human species can uniquely do. The fact is, the Earth's water system is not driven primarily by processes here on Earth, but is merely a subordinate feature of a much larger cosmic process on the scale of the Solar System and beyond.

As Mr. LaRouche was saying earlier today, if you look at the implications of the work of Johannes Kepler, who discovered that the Earth is not an isolated body floating in empty space, you see that our planet is an integral part of a much larger system—the Solar System—which is driven by a power which emanates from the Sun, which is itself merely an integral part of a much, much larger galactic system. Then, it's clear that processes here on Earth, including weather systems and the related water cycle, cannot be understood from the standpoint of Earth alone. Anybody who's competent knows that the water system of this planet is controlled by the Solar System, not by the Earth. And anyone who tries to deny that fact, or is making policy based on a contrary view is dangerously incompetent; because under current conditions, their incompetence will result in the deaths of a large portion of the population of not only California, but the entire United States.

Mr. LaRouche insisted that it must be said that Jerry Brown is on record as an incompetent idiot when it comes to these matters, whose malicious stupidity has disqualified him for public office, and is endangering the lives of the people not only of his state, but of the country as a whole.

The fact is, there are very real solutions that are available and can be implemented with the proper leadership. As we've stressed on previous broadcasts here in recent weeks, this program—which has been elaborated by Ben Deniston—must serve as the basis for a new Presidency of the United States. What my colleague Ben will present to you tonight will thoroughly and irrefutably discredit the lies that you have been given by Jerry Brown. So, I'd like to give the podium to Ben.

The Water Is There

Benjamin Deniston: Thank you, Matthew. Since you left us with reference to the lies of Jerry Brown, I figured I'd start right there with his first lie that he's promoting all over California, all over the country; which is his claim that the water simply isn't there. This is the situation according to Brown: California has run out of water, the water's not there, it's not available. And Jerry Brown's response to the situation is ''Well, deal with it.''

Beautiful leadership there—''Deal with it—get used to using less''; that's the leadership of Jerry Brown. And Michael [Steger] is going to get into this just a little bit more, the utter insanity, really degeneration, represented by this Brown governorship. And the fact that this is life or death for many people in California; and Jerry Brown is committing to a depopulation policy for the state by his policies, by his approach to the so-called water crisis.

This is the first lie—he says the water's not there.

Well, the water is there; the water's actually all over the place, it just needs to be managed and developed from the right level.

Now, I've got a number of videos and images to take us through the perspective of this higher-level management of the water system that we need to start moving towards; that gives mankind a new ability—not just in California, but globally—to handle the water needs for mankind well into the future. As we've said repeatedly, water is not a finite resource. If somebody thinks water is a finite resource, they need to get their head examined.

There is an immense amount of water, and we don't use it up; it exists in cyclical processes that mankind can increasingly manage, improve, develop, and expand. We can create the cycles needed to provide the freshwater supplies, the freshwater systems where they're needed; to provide for the needs of mankind. We can do that. And what we're going to discuss here tonight is the higher perspective that we need to drive towards, which will enable the greatest leaps in mankind's management of the global water system.

So, if we can have the first video (Figure 1) displayed on the screen here. We see a very nicely done animation, produced by NASA, on the global moisture system. What you're seeing are the flows of moisture over the oceans, over the land, in a fashion that occurs all the time.

We zoom in on the particular interaction we're concerned about here: the interaction of the Pacific Ocean with the western half of the North American continent. And, as you can see, there's an immense amount of water flowing throughout the whole system. This atmospheric moisture pattern is really the source of all water supplies on land that people normally think of. When people think of water supplies, they think of rivers, lakes, snowpack, groundwater, etc. But all of these things that people think of as the water supplies, are really an effect generated by these atmospheric moisture flows. The source depositing all the water on the land that we utilize, that we develop, that we depend upon, are these flows of atmospheric moisture. This is the source of what people traditionally think of as the freshwater supplies.

A Shadow of the Cosmos

But what we're going to discuss here tonight. is that mankind does not have to depend solely upon the water that's been deposited on the land. And we can go to this level of these atmospheric systems. But to do that, we have to understand that what we just saw there in that animation, what we talk about when we reference atmospheric water systems, is really a shadow. It's an effect of certain forces, certain larger processes. And it's mankind uncovering and understanding those larger processes which will give us new tools for understanding how to manage the effects, the shadows, that we experience with the atmospheric moisture system.

Figure 2 is a relatively basic depiction of the global water cycle. Again, as I just referenced, you see the evaporation of ocean water, most of which never makes it on land, but that which does make it on land—you can see that kind of upper curve stretching from the flow from the oceans over the continents. That is the source of all water on land that we tend to deal with, that we utilize, that we have to work with under the existing or old conception of just managing the surface water flows—what gets deposited.

But as you see indicated in this graphic, that process of atmospheric transfer of moisture from the oceans to the land, the source of all of our water supplies that we depend on and utilize, is driven by cosmic factors. It's driven, and managed and modulated by activities that don't come from the Earth; that aren't determined by the Earth, that aren't affected by the Earth, but come from outside the Earth's system.

You have, on the one hand, solar activity which drives the entire process. The evaporation of all the ocean water that becomes the source of all the freshwater in the cycle is done by solar activity. The Sun is evaporating immense amounts of ocean water; desalinating it, purifying it, filling the atmosphere with this atmospheric moisture, which then is the source of the water cycles over land. So, that's driven by solar activity that drives the whole process. That's not an Earth-based process; it's driven by the activity of the Sun, the Solar System.

So, you have the whole cycle being initiated, created by this cosmic effect, this solar driver.

On the other side, you have the activity of the galaxy more generally, which is constantly at play. We right now, as you're watching this, as I'm speaking to you here, we're being bombarded by the effects of radiation from the galaxy generally. It fills the entire atmosphere; it's a constant input determining certain conditions, certain qualities, of the atmosphere as a whole. And it's these qualities which are affected by this galactic factor, this galactic radiation, which play a major role in affecting when atmospheric moisture condenses from a vapor form to a liquid form and precipitates.

So, again, a cosmic effect constantly coming in, a regular input into the system, playing a critical role in determining the general water cycle that we experience, that we think of—which is really a shadow of the effects of these cosmic processes. So on the one side, in the initiation, you have this solar driver pumping the whole atmosphere full of freshwater; on the other end, you have this galactic, cosmic radiation input affecting the conditions which facilitate when that water falls out of the sky, where it does so, etc.

Climate Change and the Sun

So, when we're talking about the water system, we're not dealing with an Earth-based process; we're dealing with a process which reflects and expresses these inputs from the Sun and beyond the Sun—the galactic system.

With that stated, with that as our baseline, we have to pose the question, ''What happens when these cosmic factors change; when they vary; when they fluctuate?'' If our climate, our water system, our water cycle, is an expression of these cosmic effects; if the water system of the Earth is an expression of this subsuming activity of the Sun organizing the Solar System as a whole, what happens when the Sun changes?

The second video (Figure 3) illustrates what types of variations we know the Sun goes through. We have footage of the Sun from 2010 and 2014, side by side. And you can see right there, there's a significant variation in the amount of activity going on in the Sun. In 2014, there's just generally more activity; more spots that reflect sunspots, magnetic fluxes, variations in activity going on, on the surface of the Sun in 2014.

Now this should give you an image that the Sun is not just sitting there doing the same thing all the time. It's changing what it does; it cycles every decade. The entire magnetic field of the Sun flips every 11 years; which is an incredible feat, given the size of the Sun. This thing is massive, and it goes through a pole reversal every 11 years; the magnetic field completely flips.

As these 11-year cycles proceed, the Sun varies in its activity. Most significant for the effect we're talking about here is, it varies in its magnetic effects. The magnetic field created by the Sun plays a very significant role in modulating the interaction between the radiation coming from the galaxy into the Solar System and what the Sun is doing. This is a factor that is constantly in flux and changing, as the Sun goes through these cycles. What you saw in that video is largely an expression of the changing magnetic activity, the magnetic field of the Sun.

Figure 4) is one depiction of a study showing what types of things happen to our climate system, our water system, our water cycle, when the Sun goes through variations and changes. This is on a timescale of about the past 1,000 years, looking at the variations in precipitation on the Tibet Plateau in China. And we were able to measure the variations in the sizes of tree rings in some very old trees up there, which allowed the scientists to get a sense of how the precipitation, the water flow up there, changed over this past 1,000-year time period.

What they saw in this study was that the amount of water, the amount of precipitation in this particular region, fluctuated. But it fluctuated in direct correspondence to records for how the Sun changed, how the Sun fluctuated. These so-called minimums, indicated here on the graphic, are periods that we've already documented as times of extremely low solar activity; the Dolphin minimum, the Maunder minimum some people might have heard of, the Spore minimum. Based on other records, we have indications that in these times, the Sun got very inactive, very quiet, very relaxed. It took a breather or something; it took some time off. And what we see in these records in the Tibet Plateau, is that when the Sun got weaker; in direct correspondence with that, we saw changes in precipitation in how the water cycle operated.

That shouldn't be a surprise! The Sun is driving the whole process; the Sun is the bulk input to driving the whole climate system on Earth. So, when we see solar variation, it shouldn't be a surprise that we see changes in climate and in precipitation and in the water cycle.

The Sun as a Driver

Let's go to Figure 5. I've just compiled a quick depiction of other locations where similar studies have been done. Obviously, I'm not going to go through all of these, for the sake of time, here, but every one of those locations indicated on the map, is a location where we see records of climate, and activity of the water cycle, in particular, changing and varying, in correspondence with changes in solar activity.

So, this is not some isolated study in one remote part of the world. This is all over the world. Some regions tend to get colder, some regions tend to get drier, some regions even tend to get wetter, when the Sun becomes less active. And, that's just a sampling of a larger array of studies that indicate this. I've just selected these for illustrative purposes, here.

So, the point is, recognizing this solar effect, the role of the Sun as the organizing force in the Solar System, governing and driving the hydrological cycle, the water cycle, on Earth, we now see indications for how, when the Sun goes through cyclical variations and changes, we see corresponding effects back here on Earth.

On the one hand, again, you have the change in the amount of energy output by the Sun itself. But also, you have actually larger changes in the strength of the Sun's magnetic field; it's kind of the governing influence on the Solar System. So, as the Sun gets weaker, the strength of its surrounding sphere of influence gets weaker, and allows a greater effect from inter-stellar space, from the galaxy more generally, to come in and influence systems here on Earth, including the water cycle and the climate system.

So, these are two ways the Sun acts as a direct input into the system, but then also into the water system, and also is a modulating factor, governing and affecting the role of the galactic input into the water system—which, as I referenced in the beginning, is a critical factor determining how and when the water that's in the atmosphere, reaches the right conditions when it can change into a liquid state and precipitate, fall out of the atmosphere, kind of closing the other end of the atmospheric cycles. You have these cosmic kind of boundary conditions on both sides of this atmospheric expression, this atmospheric shadow, in water, of these cosmic effects.

Traveling Through the Galaxy

So, that's an indication of the role of the Sun itself. But we also have a larger scale to look at, too. We have the fact that our Solar System itself experiences different regions of the galaxy, through its motions through the galactic system; that our Solar System is actually orbiting through our galactic system, and experiencing very different environments. The Solar System is moving into and out of large regions of dense clouds of gas and dust. It's moving into and out of these spiral arms of our galaxy. It's moving above and below the disc, the plane of our galactic system. So, it's going through all kinds of stuff, and it's experiencing different environments as it does so, and these have different cosmic radiation effects on the Solar System, and on our Earth, and on our Earth's climate, on our atmospheric system.

If we go to the third video (Figure 6), we have a depiction of just one of these motions kind of separated out—just a very simplistic illustration of the motion of our Solar System above, and then moving below, and then heading back above, the plane of our galaxy. Our galaxy is a disc-like structure, relatively thin, compared to its overall size. What we know is that the Solar System tends to move above and below this galactic disc, as it travels through the galaxy.

And now, recent records have indicated that, again, the climate system on Earth changes in correspondence to these different galactic environments. When we're above or below the galactic plane, we tend to get warmer climates, warmer global climate environments, when we're above or below the galactic plane.

When we're crossing through the middle of the galactic plane, we tend to get cooler environments. The Earth's climate system, the Earth's hydrological system as well, responds to these different galactic environments because, as we stated at the beginning, the hydrological system, the water system, the climate system more generally, are expressions of these cosmic factors. So, we know that when we move above and below the galactic plane, we see indications that the Earth's climate system cools and warms and changes, in correspondence to that.

If we go to the next video (Figure 7), we see one other illustration of this, which is the motion of our Solar System kind of orbiting through the galaxy, moving into and out of our galaxy's spiral arms. Unfortunately, I believe this animation was done backwards, so I apologize to the few of you who recognize that. But this is a general depiction of how our Solar System—if you played it backwards—moves into and out of the spiral arm structures of our galaxy. So, again, different galactic environments that our whole Solar System is experiencing.

Now if we go to Figure 8, we see that, as we move into and out of the different spiral arms of the galaxy, we see dramatic changes, again, in the climate and the temperature. This is something that's been documented for the past decade or more—that as our Solar System's moved into these spiral arm structures, you tend to get major cooling events, major climate changes. Not even ice ages, but what are sometimes referred to as ''global ice-house events,'' where it's not just a little bit of glaciation occurring. Much of the planet can be covered in ice, in glaciers. Huge events. So, again, these correspond directly to the motions of our Solar System, through the galactic system, through the spiral arms, in particular.

As was stated, we have the water system, and particularly, this atmospheric component of the water system, which is the source of all the water we have on land, and which we depend upon and deal with and manage, up until this point, as being influenced and driven by these cosmic factors, these changes in solar activity, changes in the relationship of the Solar System to the galaxy—that our water system, our atmospheric water system, our water cycle, is an expression of these larger cosmic processes. So when these cosmic processes change and vary, we see corresponding changes and fluctuations.

The Cosmic Environment

Now, again, I'll just make a kind of necessary note. Apparently, this is a major surprise to people like Jerry Brown: that the climate, apparently, changes! I guess they never took middle-school geology or geological history classes. But, yes, it's true: the climate on Earth changes. The climate of the Solar System changes. The climate of the galaxy changes. Whether you choose to eat beef, or not; or, whether you choose to drive an SUV, has nothing to do with that. But, the climate does change, and we are affected by these climate changes, as California is now experiencing, largely as an effect of these larger processes.

The point is, we're now at the point where we're beginning to recognize this. The science is coming in, the studies are coming in. We're starting to get a better realization of these cosmic effects, these cosmic driving forces in our water system, in our climate system. That the water cycle that we depend upon, the water cycle that we need to improve and manage for the future of mankind, is not an Earth-based process. It doesn't come from the Earth, it's not driven by the Earth, it's not modulated by what the Earth does.

There are processes on Earth that have effects, sure. Life has effects, geological activity has effects; those are there. But what we're beginning to realize is that the large driving factors, as we just went through, governing global ice ages and global warming, governing variations in weather patterns and precipitation in drought, in flood regions, are associated with these larger-scale solar and related galactic effects, which drive this atmospheric component of the water system, which is more of a shadow, an expression of these larger forces.

So we're beginning to realize this. We're beginning to realize that we live in a cosmic environment. We're dependent upon the activity of an environment driven by cosmic processes, solar and galactic processes.

Managing the Water System

The point of all this, is not that we now sit back and say, ''OK, that's what it is''; the point is that we, as mankind, then utilize this new knowledge, these new insights, to enable us to improve our ability to manage that system. That's what this is telling us right now, with respect to the crisis in California, in terms of addressing the water needs in California, but throughout the Southwest and throughout the world more broadly. What we're looking at is the perspective on a higher-order understanding of what the system is that we're actually dealing with, that we're actually dependent upon, and then utilizing that higher understanding to change how we can interact with it, to manage it in completely new ways.

And Figure 9 is the last image, a very simple schematic of some of the technologies that are being developed, which just begin to open the door to how mankind can start to tap into these processes. This is a schematic for a so-called artificial ionization system, of the technology developed in Russia in the 1980s, and utilized for over a decade successfully in Mexico, referred to as ELAT technology, which stands for ''electrification of the atmosphere.'' And through these ionization systems, we've already demonstrated for years now, that mankind can actually manage and modulate these electrical and ionization conditions of the atmospheric system, which are the conditions that play a major role in determining how the atmospheric components of the water cycle operate.

In laymen's terms, we've used these systems to increase precipitation, even to inhibit rainfall where we didn't want it. This has been done; it's being done right now. There are more trials going on. This is a beginning development of a whole perspective of managing these atmospheric conditions of the water cycle to our benefit, to ensure the water goes where it's needed, to ensure that the water doesn't go where it's not needed, to take a higher-order control over the water system, to provide for the water needs of mankind.

So this is one technology, but it's a technology that comes under this broader perspective, of mankind acting and operating on the scale of the Solar System. That really is what we're talking about.

We're talking about mankind moving to the level—not physically, not biologically. More important than that, moving conceptually, mentally, creatively—to the level of the Solar System, understanding that the Earth is subsumed by that, and acting on the Earth systems from the standpoint of acting on the level of the Solar System as a whole. And reaching beyond that, starting to look to the galactic system; that mankind can change his actions on Earth, to be in coherence with mankind's unique ability to understand the Solar System, the galaxy, and how these systems subsume and determine what happens on Earth. Mankind can act on Earth in a unique way, informed by these understandings.

And the effect of that will be, if we were to do it, no water crisis. We can manage the water crisis, if we go to this perspective, if we go to this level.

Morons for Zero Growth

And so, to round this off for my component of the discussion here, I think there's a dramatic irony in this situation we're looking at, because what I'm putting on the table is work that's going on. These are studies that are ongoing, this is research that is happening, that points in a very important and profound direction, that mankind can move to this higher level, and that we can manage all of our water crises from this higher level and deal with them, by going to this level of the Solar System, so to speak.

And that's something unique to mankind. That's what mankind can do, specifically. This is a new expression of the power of mankind, as a uniquely creative species, different from any animal species on this planet. And with that being the case, this now being demonstrated and developed, we're starting to get a taste of this potential direction, and a greater understanding of what mankind is on this planet, as a creative force that can reach beyond the planet.

In this context, you get Jerry Brown, you get these idiots, who are running around saying, ''We've reached the limit to growth. We've realized we reached the limit; that's as much as we can do. You know, we ran out of water. What're you going to do? We just have to kill some people now.''

What morons! We're looking at the perspective of mankind completely moving to a new level of understanding of what this water system even is we're dealing with, and then you get complete idiots out there, saying, ''This is the limit to growth, we can't keeping growing. Mankind's run into his boundary conditions. That's it, we can't go any further.''

It would be laughable, if it weren't so criminal. If people's lives weren't dependent upon whether we let Jerry Brown continue his genocide policies or not.

This is idiocy! The guy thinks we've run out of water! The whole planet's covered in water, there's water everywhere. We ran out of smart people, like his father, who knew how to manage it, and we were left with a bunch of idiots like Jerry Brown, who bought into this crazy, '68er depopulation ideology, who are being run by people who want to depopulate the planet.

So we didn't run out of water. We're on the verge of a completely new perspective of mankind's relation to water. But what we need to do is get rid of the idiots holding us back, and getting in our way, and I think that's what Michael is going to get into, so I'll leave it at that.

Ogden: Thank you, Ben.

Our next guest tonight is Michael Steger, who is a leading member of the LaRouche PAC Policy Committee, who, as viewers of this website know, participates on a weekly basis in the discussion that we have with Mr. LaRouche on Mondays. He is a former candidate for United States Congress, and is currently leading the fight, on the ground in California.

The Case of California

Michael Steger: Thanks, Matt.

What Ben just presented was really a foundation and a basis for a revolution in economic policy, for this nation, and for the world. And because of the dire crisis we're facing in California, which is not simply the drought—the drought is compounding what is the breakdown of the U.S. economy over the last four or five decades.

Now in that context, we took Ben's proposal to address the water crisis, which is not only technologies such as nuclear desalination or ionization, but a fundamental shift in how we think of ourselves in the universe and in the Solar System. We took that proposal to Sacramento, thinking there might be some living souls there, willing to consider policies to address the crisis the state now faces.

And this is a real crisis. This is a crisis for 38 million people, many of whom are barely, at this point, surviving, and I think that has to be a point made, because the vulnerability of the U.S. population today cannot tolerate this kind of stupidity and incompetence from Brown and the other people associated with this policy, which includes the Bush family.

We brought our policy to Sacramento, and it was considered criminal! It was considered a crime to even discuss the idea that the water crisis could be solved; that there was, indeed, no water crisis; that you could, indeed, bring water into the areas of California through the technology, through the policies, and through the research Ben just presented, as he has done in his papers and in the ongoing discussions. And that tells you the kind of fascism that's taking place in Sacramento. And it is not the first time that we've been told that they are not interested in increasing water supply in California: They are interested in ''conserving water.''

'Brown Is the New Green'

That brings us to the point of Brown and the fascist policy in Sacramento, because this is not about conservation. This is not about ''we're all in this together'' in public conservation. You go back to April 1, when Jerry Brown—and now, there are signs all over California for those of you who haven't made it out here, yet: ''Brown Is the New Green.'' But Jerry Brown gets up on April 1 and says: I'm enforcing a law of a 25% mandatory cut in water. That was going to be mitigated by water agencies with a for-profit motive, so already the idea of public conservation is really just a façade covering the fact of privatization of the water supply of the state.

We've had that happen in California before, as with the public utility for electricity. It was called the ''Enron disaster,'' and it was explicitly targeting the most vulnerable population in California, for record so-called financial profit, while killing the population—and that is fascism. That is what Lyndon LaRouche identified in a debate in 1971, as the fascist policies of people like Milton Friedman, people like Henry Kissinger, people like George Shultz. And George Shultz in California is a factor in this policy.

So you've got this policy now, of pushing water conservation. Now the reality is, 25% across the board is not accurate, and they're trying to say, ''We're going to reduce the water of the more affluent areas more than the more impoverished areas. We'reOB not going to cut the farmers, we're going to let the farmers have water''—supposedly—''and cut just for the population.'' And you see the media is painting hysteria, the media like the New York Times, which is pushing this no-growth policy. It's the same policy you saw from the rabid neo-cons that, once the fall of the Soviet Union had happened, history had come to an end, human development and social advancement had ended.

It's not the case. The hysteria is pushed by this fascist policy, by this grouping.

The water agencies are now going to be cutting water in different places. But what you find is that where they're cutting, they have no sense of what's happening on the ground—or, maybe they do. And you have letters written from civil bureaucrats, city employees, people representing certain of the most vulnerable demographics in the state, places like Compton, places like the Central Valley, or Fresno, or Bakersfield. And what they're saying, what they're painting is a very clear picture: that a 20% cut in water will hit people who are already having a hard time paying for rent, or for food, for medical bills, for people who are already not watering their lawns, the so-called—you know, these political terms today: ''the low-hanging fruit.''

The low-hanging fruit are people like Jerry Brown! Not the so-called green grasses and ornamental landscaping.

But places like Compton, the impoverished cities of California that are not part of the real estate bubble, not part of this Internet bubble, this Wall Street fraud of an economy, are not spending huge amounts of water on these areas. They're limiting their usage of these public utilities towards basic needs and requirements, and that's a helluva lot more than the five gallons that some of these people in the Nestlé Company, and other privatized water companies, want to allocate to the population.

So when you make a 20% cut to people who are already this vulnerable, you're not ''nudging'' their behavior toward using a little bit less water for their lawns or washing their new cars. You're saying, ''You're going to bathe less. You're going to be less sanitary, in an area which is going to have the propagation of more diseases.'' You're going to be giving a clear message: ''You're not wanted.'' And the prices of water are going to be increasing under this regimen, until the population is eradicated, because as Jerry Brown referenced, California only supported 400,000 people for a very long time.

And if that's the case, Jerry, well, you should start with yourself, and we can get on with development of the water resources of our state and of our nation.

So this is the fascist policy which is laid out in California.

Pitting Farmers Against Eaters

The same is true for the farmers: For three years, farmers have already had their water cut. The state program is allocating a very small percentage. The Federal program built by Franklin Roosevelt has been allocating zero now, for two years, or will be.

So the farmers have already taken major measures, and the farmers produce something which is not a new app for your smartphone; it is not an inflated price for real estate; they're producing the food and the nutrition, for not only California and the nation, but also globally.

So you have this media hysteria pitting these two groups against each other. And as even the farm leaders in the state have said: When we meet with the governor, we have the farm groups; then you have the environmentalist groups. You don't have people representing areas of the urban population, the poor parts of California. They aren't at the table.

Are they concerned about the farmers using water for food? I don't think they're concerned about the farmers using water for food; I think they'd like to make sure the farmers have enough water to produce enough food, so there's enough for them! That the prices are within their budget, that they can afford to feed their families. That's probably what's going to be their concern, not what the environmentalists are putting out as a concern.

And there is no concern for the Delta smelt, there is no concern for environmental concerns—these environmentalists have done more to pollute the environment than any other part of the U.S. population! They are the ones destroying the environment, hands down! They're the ones polluting the oceans, because they restricted the science and the technology to deal with the actual reality that it's good for mankind to develop; it's good for populations to grow, and you need to sustain and develop that technology to make that possible. So we should get rid of the environmentalists if we want to clean up the environment. And we should start with Jerry Brown.

What Jerry Brown has done, then, with this policy, this so-called water conservation, this cloak of public ''conservation,'' which is really the privatization of water, is a crime. It's a crime to the state Constitution, where water itself is identified as part of the general welfare of the state, because of the arid condition of the state, which is probably what makes it such a good growing area; this is part of the state Constitution.

And on this basis alone, Jerry Brown is criminal, and his remaining in office is a crime! This is a fascist program, it is Hitler-like policies! ''You have an economic problem? Reduce the population and target the most vulnerable.'' We've had a squad of four individuals and organizers in the Central Valley for the last few days, and the people who are targeted by these policies, for their livelihood, for their contribution to the nation and to society, know what's happening: that this is existential and it is life-or-death.

Send the Nazis to Jail!

And the point now is not just to leave it there, but to recognize the actions that must be taken. Brown must go, out of office, into jail, prosecuted, along with people like Dennis O'Connor, and the rabid ideologues of Sacramento; and what Ben just laid out must become the policy for the state and for the nation.

Now, the bigger question is where this came from. Because this is not just happening in California, but California has been a test case, not only under the Brown program for water, but look at the program we've had now, four years of Jerry Brown's policies, added onto the eight years of his policies in the 1960s and '70s, which is what shut down the nuclear power program, not just in California, but across the country. That same nuclear power which could be providing desalination capabilities today.

But you also had Arnold Schwarzenegger for seven years, and you had the Enron program for three years before that: a direct policy continuity from George Shultz, a direct policy of the fascists who put in Pinochet in Chile. The same type of fascism, that you see promoted by Obama today in Ukraine; the same kind of Nazis that Obama's promoting in Ukraine are now dominating and have been dominating Sacramento policy for up to 15 years. And it's not the Republicans who are going to solve the problem, because they bought this hook, line, and sinker with Bush and Cheney, and with Schwarzenegger.

A New American Presidency

And what we have to do today, then, is to define a new American Presidency, independent of both this Republican grouping who are out to kill us, clearly, and of this rapid environmentalist, pro-drug policy of the likes of Shultz, or Jerry Brown, who clearly have a depopulation agenda. This is the criminality that has been tolerated by the American people for far too long. And it is happening in the United States, it's happening in California as a test case. It's the same policy you see in Ukraine, and it's the same policy you see in Greece today.

What Ben has presented is a scientific orientation of development and technology. And that's what the BRICS nations are responding to, this kind of fascist economic program, which was warned about by Mr. LaRouche in the 1960s and '70s. And either we fight today to end it, or we're not going to exist much longer.

And that is very clear in the case of California and its people.

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